Her idea

I'm with you! I don't want to imply what is good or bad. I'm trying my best to respectfully ask questions to understand things better. To make sense of things a person normally applies conventional wisdom. I've discovered there are many inconsistencies to conventional wisdom in the hot wife/cuckold world. The most glaring example is the wife is free to have sex with others and the husband is not. That's accepted here as the norm.

You are the third person (or couple) that has recently said their wife thinks it's only right and fair for her husband to seek out their own experience with other women. You and the two others stand out in stark contrast to very different trend. In light of what you said about the "fantasy driven" versions that never materialize, maybe that skews the norm here falsely in favor of the fantasy and not the reality.

I completely agree with you about the guys that actually do any of the extreme stuff. They do it because they want to. They have some kind of different self perception and set of personal experiences that lead them to the extremes. For whatever reason, they are more willing than tortured. I believe these extreme relationships are statistical outliers.

Did your wife come right out and say you should find another woman to have your own similar experience? It has to be an amazing point in a hot wife's life that she wants her husband to experience something similar to what she's enjoying. I would guess that it puts everything in balance and de-emphasizes control. How did your first time of being with a woman besides your wife go?

You nailed it. It seems the only prevalent narrative is in fact the outliers in reality. The skewness and not the gaussian.

Well, we (couple) came to a sort of agreement (I say just sort of because "agreement" might sound like a business term, and it was very afar from that).

Issue was that I travel a lot due work and our financial life depends on it. A situation to this day cannot be reversed. This created an unexpected vacuum in our sex life, and we soon ended up discovering that wife started dating other guys (cheating on me), and in equivalence I started dating "playful" girls whenever I was away.

It was a huge blow. We lost our ground for a while, but we didn't think about breaking up for real. Then we processed and concluded it wouldn't be feasible to live with such sex vacuum. Plus, I realize it didn't bother me if she has sex with other men, as long she made it crystal clear to me. Wife on the other hand said that she could allow me having sex with other women, but as long as I avoid romances, pregnancies or making it personal like revenge sex - that's what I called some sort of "agreement" because the risks still exist.

In practice, we both looked after other couples to go out, have same room sex and thereafter some swinging. Within time different men seek my wife to have sex with her while I was away, something that she craved the most. So, we navigated until find ourselves in a situation where she is now a wife shared with other men and I am a voyeur husband who extract pleasure watching, knowing, hearing and so.

But I still crave her pussy and she still craves my dick. Why we would waste away such desire?

What do I mean by our story here? Every single couple has its own trajectory but rarely it is like a dogfart productions script.
 
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About the first times I had sex with different women after our "agreement", well, it was bland. Yes, bland.

Maybe because when I was single, I had my share of thrills while having affairs with married women. But then, suddenly I was experiencing the inverted perspective. I became the husband of a hot woman.

I didn't seek that much going out solo with different girls.

With the exception of swinging and swapping times when I had sex with other wives while other husbands had mine, those times were delightful,

I find myself more interested about dealing with my wife in her more liberated manner, naughty. Unlocked and more talkative about her sexuality. But it wasn't premeditated at all.
 
My brother has been involved in our sex life for more years than I want to think about. Initially it was me that pushed a game into a way to get my wife to have sex with another guy. It worked out well and after a while he moved in with us and we were like a family with 2 husbands for my wife. Some years later he had moved out and found himself a gf who he introduced to our games.There came a time when, although I didn't really want to, I was put in a position where I had to fuck his gf. My wife was totally ok with that and in fact held my balls as I was going at it.(Maybe she had thoughts of ripping them off if I got too excited). It wasn't really enjoyable for me and since that day I've never had another woman.

My point is that although there can be equality of the sexes, not everyone wants it. My turn on is to see my wife enjoying herself and it gives me more pleasure to see that than to have another woman.
Unfortunately due to my wife's failing health we don't get together very often now but on her better days she can still be demanding enough to give him a call and still I don't want other women.
 
My brother has been involved in our sex life for more years than I want to think about. Initially it was me that pushed a game into a way to get my wife to have sex with another guy. It worked out well and after a while he moved in with us and we were like a family with 2 husbands for my wife. Some years later he had moved out and found himself a gf who he introduced to our games.There came a time when, although I didn't really want to, I was put in a position where I had to fuck his gf. My wife was totally ok with that and in fact held my balls as I was going at it.(Maybe she had thoughts of ripping them off if I got too excited). It wasn't really enjoyable for me and since that day I've never had another woman.

My point is that although there can be equality of the sexes, not everyone wants it. My turn on is to see my wife enjoying herself and it gives me more pleasure to see that than to have another woman.
Unfortunately due to my wife's failing health we don't get together very often now but on her better days she can still be demanding enough to give him a call and still I don't want other women.
I agree that the "equality of the sexes" comes with uneven or unwanted application. I also have no doubt that the men that respond with, "I get my pleasure from seeing her happy!" are genuine. Those men are getting what they want and expect from it so, everyone is happy and satisfied. There's a huge difference in being denied equality and not wanting (or needing) equality.

I'm sorry for your wife's failing health. I hope it stabilizes or gets better! This is a whole different topic but I'd be interested to learn from people that have "aged out" of the lifestyle or never made it because of "aging out". There has to be a lot of strong feelings and emotions tied to aging.

When your wife is feeling "demanding" is it still your brother she calls?
 
I agree that the "equality of the sexes" comes with uneven or unwanted application. I also have no doubt that the men that respond with, "I get my pleasure from seeing her happy!" are genuine. Those men are getting what they want and expect from it so, everyone is happy and satisfied. There's a huge difference in being denied equality and not wanting (or needing) equality.

I'm sorry for your wife's failing health. I hope it stabilizes or gets better! This is a whole different topic but I'd be interested to learn from people that have "aged out" of the lifestyle or never made it because of "aging out". There has to be a lot of strong feelings and emotions tied to aging.

When your wife is feeling "demanding" is it still your brother she calls?

When your wife is feeling "demanding" is it still your brother she calls?
Yes still my brother but it's a rare occasion now.. She has copd and when she gets over excited she can't breathe. It probably sounds cruel but we make a joke of it when she;s gasping for breath. Saying things like "that must have been a good one". We're learning to live with it but I think it wont be long before we turn into a normal devoted old couple
 
İlk fikir eş tarafından desteklenip teşvik edilirse, kocasına evlilik dışı seks yapma olasılığını reddetmesi hala kabul edilebilir mi? Neredeyse her zaman "Ben (eş) istediğim zaman istediğim kişiyle seks yapabilirim ama kocam başka bir kadınla seks yaparsa yıkılırım." cümlesini okursunuz. Kadınların bunu nasıl söyleyip de ifadelerindeki ikiyüzlülüğü anlayamadıklarını hiç anlayamadım. Heyecan verici bir seks hayatı yaşamasına izin vermek için güçlü bir erkek gerekiyorsa, bu onun kocasından daha zayıf olduğu anlamına mı gelir? Neden yıkıldığını bile anlamıyorum. Kocasının zaten kendini riske atmadığını düşünerek neyi riske attığını düşünüyor?

Kocaların eşlerinin olağanüstü bir seks hayatı olmasını istemeleri neredeyse evrensel bir sabitken, eşlerin kocalarının seks hayatıyla ilgili bu hissi paylaşmamasının nedeni nedir? Daha fazla ve daha iyi seks sunmak yerine, bunu kısıtlamalarla ve arzu edilir olacağını düşünerek (ya da daha kötüsü, istediklerinin bu olmadığını çok iyi bilerek) reddederek değiştiriyorlar. Kocasının bir boynuzlu koca olma konusunda kanıtlanmış bir isteği olduğunu biliyorsa, bunun farklı olduğunu anlıyorum. Eğer kocanın ilgi göstermediği bir şeyse ve hala tatmin edici bir seks hayatı istiyorsa, bu onu evliliği terk etmekten başka nereye götürür?
kadınlar orospulardır
erkekler pezevenktir
 
I think that there are a lot of different roads that lead to this location. I know in our case my wife has never been as turned on seeing me fuck another woman as I have been at her fucking another guy. She has acknowledged less trust of other woman. In our earliest days of swinging she (rightfully) thought all the woman in our meet ups were getting a better swap that she was, this was great for my confidence. Finding a 4 way that worked for everyone was always more of a challenge than a single guy to add to our fun and so that's the direction we drifted.
 
I think that there are a lot of different roads that lead to this location. I know in our case my wife has never been as turned on seeing me fuck another woman as I have been at her fucking another guy. She has acknowledged less trust of other woman. In our earliest days of swinging she (rightfully) thought all the woman in our meet ups were getting a better swap that she was, this was great for my confidence. Finding a 4 way that worked for everyone was always more of a challenge than a single guy to add to our fun and so that's the direction we drifted.
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I wouldn’t want my husband to be with anyone else. But he is the one who wanted me to get involved with other men.
So it does make a difference to you who initiated the idea. Now that you've had some experience, if it had been you that brought up the idea would you have the same attitude towards him being with anyone else?

How is your husband involved (if he is) in your version of the lifestyle?
 
I am of the same experience as my wife plays and I am permitted to do also. But I have no desire for another woman. It has always been my fantasy to watch her with another man. She had played a bit in her previous marriage,but her ex made the entire marriage revolve around playing and it collapsed. She used to have an old laptop with several videos of her mfm action and I loved them until the laptop crashed. She always told me it would never happen with us because of her fear of ruining another marriage. Then 2cyears ago I was in a horrible truck wreck and relieved a multitude of lifelong Injuries. True intercourse has happened with us as residual pain kills my erections. This past July after a good session of oral. I made the joke about watching her play with another guy for the hundredth time. And she said Yes !! She explained that she was craving hard penetration. I found this site tge next day and have used it to boost hee confidence with posting her nudes pics. We have had 8 play sessions since then and I have enjoyed watching and recording all of them.
 
If the initial idea is promoted and encouraged by the wife, is it still acceptable for her to deny her husband the possibility of having sex outside the marriage? Almost all the time you read, "I (the wife) can have sex with anyone at anytime I choose but I would be crushed if my husband had sex with another woman." I've never understood how women can say this and not get the hypocrisy of their statement. If it takes a strong man to allow her to have an exciting sex life does this infer that she is weaker than her husband? I don't even get why she would be crushed. What does she think she would be risking that her husband isn't already risking himself?

Why is it an almost universal constant that husbands want their wives to have an exceptional sex life yet wives don't seem to share that feeling regarding their husbands sex life. Instead of offering more and better sex they substitute it with restrictions and denial thinking that will be desirable (or worse knowing full well that that's not what they want). I understand if she knows her husband has a shown a proven desire to be a cuckold then that's different. If it's not something the husband has shown interest in and he still wants a fulfilling sex life then where does that leave him other than leaving the marriage?
Here is a general rule of thumb for ALL men everywhere that you can take to the bank: If you did not score easily with women BEFORE you got married (in which case why did you get married at the time you did?), BEING married and allowing your wife to ...... around will NOT increase your opportunities with other women!! Whatever the reason was that they weren't interested BEFORE, now you can take that and add to it, YOU ARE MARRIED!!

99.99999% of the time, its the man that initiates this. EXTREMELY rare for a woman to do so, they just cheat. They don't think backwards and decide "if I let him fuck women I can fuck other guys". They don't have to do that. If they want more cock, all they have to do is be a little bit friendly and they'll have a lineup of guys willing to take the handout.

You also are asking the question on a site called WIFE WANTS TO PLAY.......Not Swingers Are Us, LOLLOL. Its about women engaging in extramarital sex (hotwives, cuckolding, however you care to name it) and being encouraged to do so by their husbands. One would naturally expect that this would NOT be about men having sex outside the marriage. There have to be sites that cater to Swingers, a search for that would be more productive.

Having extensive experience with swinging myself, fully 90% of the women there do NOT want to be there..........they are there ONLY because their husbands are forsing the to try it out. And in general, they have brought their wives there because they SUCK at sex!! "I don't suck cock", you have to use a condom, I don't have orgasms.....". Or even more common, the wife agreed to go because the HUSBAND sucks at sex, and now he wants to unleash those "talents" on numerous women at the party. AND, being the "average guy" that most of us are at a swingers party does NOT remove the fact that women control the pussy and the few that are actually participating have complete control over which guys they want to have sex with.........they don't settle for "Mr. Average Guy" because they are at a sex party. LOLLOL Always amazed me at the number of guys that showed up straight from a filthy sweaty job without showering and then could not understand why NO one wanted to be near them??

It did not take me long at all to figure out I was bringing a LOT more to the party than I GOT at the party!! Hence the reason we gravitated (two wives) to hotwifing or cuckolding (there in no real difference except it makes some guys feel better not to be called a cuckold) and I enjoyed being with my wife after she had been with other guys a LOT more than I did BAD sex with someone elses wife.

And quite unbelievable to me, there are guys that will actually show up with a wife who has NO FUCKING CLUE where she is being taken!!! Or maybe worse, they bring a Hooker to the party!! You can imagine how well things go when a guy brings his wife unknowingly, gets rapidly ......, and starts slobbering all over the other women there while his poor wife is AGHAST or worse, some other ...... starts slobbering over her!! And the Hookers......who wants to stick it in Syphyllis Sally?? It's not hard to figure out they are Hookers either, and good luck convincing your wife its fine and dandy to have sex with a Hooker and stay married too!!

So, the point.....Women control the pussy everywhere, it belongs to them and THEY determine who gets access to it. And few of them actually WANT their husband to be getting around with other women, its just not a female thing......and almost everyone on here that insists otherwise is a guy pretending to be a couple or woman. Yeah, some of us try it but not for long. If you convince your woman that it turns you on for her to ...... around (this is VERY easy for women to do, only a handful of guys can do this) with the ulterior motive that you are going to get more pussy, LOLLOLLOL. Sadly mistaken. The only thing less likely is those guys that think they can trade their wife's pussy for more cocks for them to suck/fuck.

My 2 cents............CW
 
Here is a general rule of thumb for ALL men everywhere that you can take to the bank: If you did not score easily with women BEFORE you got married (in which case why did you get married at the time you did?), BEING married and allowing your wife to ...... around will NOT increase your opportunities with other women!! Whatever the reason was that they weren't interested BEFORE, now you can take that and add to it, YOU ARE MARRIED!!

99.99999% of the time, its the man that initiates this. EXTREMELY rare for a woman to do so, they just cheat. They don't think backwards and decide "if I let him fuck women I can fuck other guys". They don't have to do that. If they want more cock, all they have to do is be a little bit friendly and they'll have a lineup of guys willing to take the handout.

You also are asking the question on a site called WIFE WANTS TO PLAY.......Not Swingers Are Us, LOLLOL. Its about women engaging in extramarital sex (hotwives, cuckolding, however you care to name it) and being encouraged to do so by their husbands. One would naturally expect that this would NOT be about men having sex outside the marriage. There have to be sites that cater to Swingers, a search for that would be more productive.

Having extensive experience with swinging myself, fully 90% of the women there do NOT want to be there..........they are there ONLY because their husbands are forsing the to try it out. And in general, they have brought their wives there because they SUCK at sex!! "I don't suck cock", you have to use a condom, I don't have orgasms.....". Or even more common, the wife agreed to go because the HUSBAND sucks at sex, and now he wants to unleash those "talents" on numerous women at the party. AND, being the "average guy" that most of us are at a swingers party does NOT remove the fact that women control the pussy and the few that are actually participating have complete control over which guys they want to have sex with.........they don't settle for "Mr. Average Guy" because they are at a sex party. LOLLOL Always amazed me at the number of guys that showed up straight from a filthy sweaty job without showering and then could not understand why NO one wanted to be near them??

It did not take me long at all to figure out I was bringing a LOT more to the party than I GOT at the party!! Hence the reason we gravitated (two wives) to hotwifing or cuckolding (there in no real difference except it makes some guys feel better not to be called a cuckold) and I enjoyed being with my wife after she had been with other guys a LOT more than I did BAD sex with someone elses wife.

And quite unbelievable to me, there are guys that will actually show up with a wife who has NO FUCKING CLUE where she is being taken!!! Or maybe worse, they bring a Hooker to the party!! You can imagine how well things go when a guy brings his wife unknowingly, gets rapidly ......, and starts slobbering all over the other women there while his poor wife is AGHAST or worse, some other ...... starts slobbering over her!! And the Hookers......who wants to stick it in Syphyllis Sally?? It's not hard to figure out they are Hookers either, and good luck convincing your wife its fine and dandy to have sex with a Hooker and stay married too!!

So, the point.....Women control the pussy everywhere, it belongs to them and THEY determine who gets access to it. And few of them actually WANT their husband to be getting around with other women, its just not a female thing......and almost everyone on here that insists otherwise is a guy pretending to be a couple or woman. Yeah, some of us try it but not for long. If you convince your woman that it turns you on for her to ...... around (this is VERY easy for women to do, only a handful of guys can do this) with the ulterior motive that you are going to get more pussy, LOLLOLLOL. Sadly mistaken. The only thing less likely is those guys that think they can trade their wife's pussy for more cocks for them to suck/fuck.

My 2 cents............CW
Thanks for your reply! I apologize for my naivety. You have far more experience than I ever will. Everything you said in your post are things that I have observed here on this website. I agree that this site is dominated by men that want their wives to play. There are only a handful of women that seem to post here so it is difficult to get their perspective.

Despite my monogamous situation I have also learned that my wife "controls" the pussy. I get it when she wants me to have it. That's been pretty plain and straightforward from the beginning. Nothing happens just because a husband/bf encourages it. It happens when a wife/gf "chooses" to make it happen.

Another point I completely agree with you on is the way many men seem so desperate or clueless to engage in the lifestyle. As you said, "Mr. Average Guy" is not a draw for a wife/gf that is looking for a satisfying experience. You have had the opportunity to discover on your own that, "you enjoyed being with my wife after she had been with other guys a LOT more than I did BAD sex with someone elses wife." That's not something you read here often. I do often read that husbands/bfs say they are happy seeing their wives/gfs happy and that's enough for them.

I don't have that kind of experience that you've had. As consequence some (most likely many) of my questions will sound dumb. Even knowing that about myself, it hasn't quelled my curiosity. Sometimes things are difficult to understand without some real experience like you had.

In short, since 99.99999% of this is instigated by the men and wives/gfs are predisposed to NOT wanting to share their husbands my question seems foolish.